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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 3, 2011 8:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you chose to believe Franklin's Tower is about?

Yeah, saying it's cheap, puerile etc. because it's about drugs tells us mainly your feelings about drugs. Not every lyric Robert Hunter penned was deep and profound. We can trash all the performers any way we like, right, and declare entire decades of performances unlistenable? But we're supposed to think every lyric was practically Shakespearean? I have no idea if deniro is right or if he has no idea what he is talking about. At least WT gives us some facts to consider, rather than just bullying about telling people their "literary interpretations" are second rate. No one was trying to do "literary interpretation." It's a Grateful Dead forum.

It is far from crazy to suggest there might be drug references in Grateful Dead lyrics. Hello!!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 3, 2011 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you chose to believe Franklin's Tower is about?

Oh, I got that...but in this particular instance, there are the facts of the times in which he wrote it (birth, nation), and HIS explanation; then, there are the myths, (I say that with great confidence having done 'it' many, times, with many in the music biz, backstage, etc., in the early 70/mid 70s) which are used to support an alt explanation. It seems entirely unnecessary.

On coke, trust that like others of its ilk, in terms of the euphoric state induced when pure, well, I am afraid only morphine and heroin best it, but they have the sleep inducing components, whereas coke does not, and prior to the degradation of the street form, in the late 70s, it was hard to beat if you wanted to "play", or "party". The others were more for inward, downtime experiences (per Jerry later in his life).

All, of course, has serious addiction properties, but hey, even Sherlock knew a 7% solution might just do the trick, eh?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 3, 2011 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you chose to believe Franklin's Tower is about?

It is interesting that the media has now decided that even crack cocaine was not so utterly evil as they made it out to be in the 1980's.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 3, 2011 8:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you chose to believe Franklin's Tower is about?

nothing better than pharmaceutical grade blow. sorry - flame away.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 3, 2011 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you chose to believe Franklin's Tower is about?

Nothing from this corner.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 3, 2011 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you chose to believe Franklin's Tower is about?

Thanks for continuing to argue this point ring. You've perfectly stated many of my thoughts when reading replies to this theory. Im sorry I don't have the patience to discuss this topic any further. It's too bad there are so many close-minded people around here. It seems like people thought I was saying, "this is what the song is about," when I was merely suggesting one interpretation.

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-11-03 15:44:24

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 3, 2011 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you chose to believe Franklin's Tower is about?

I'm not really arguing your point, WT has pretty well convinced me it probably wasn't about cocaine. I just didn't see why there had to be such contempt and loathing for an innocuous suggestion. "Literary" and "drugs" are not distant relatives.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 3, 2011 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you chose to believe Franklin's Tower is about?

"WT has pretty well convinced me it probably wasn't about cocaine."

I've always been convinced, but the cocaine theory is an interesting one to explore, which is why i wanted to discuss it. robert hunter was very familiar with the drug scene. he surely realized the coke implications he was making as writing this. no way that would go over his head, and because he chose the words he did, it is not crazy at all to suggest this theory. ok i'm finally done here. i think this topic has been discussed enough for now.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 3, 2011 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you chose to believe Franklin's Tower is about?

Well hello to you too.

Are you suggesting I park my brain at the door because the sign says 'Grateful Dead forum'? Tell me, where did I suggest that drug references were absent from Grateful Dead lyrics or that Hunter's every utterance was an exercise in profundity? We are not talking about 'every lyric' - we're talking about one specific lyric, and one of Hunter's better ones, that I believe deserves better than a comically naive 'drug' interpretation that doesn't hold water factually (Tell) or artistically (me).

You know as much about my thoughts on drug use now as you did before this discussion started - which is exactly nothing.